Comment #11378

Forum: A man's right to abortion
Son_of_Leviathan
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Isn't it a little sexist to objectify men as just sperm? Not taking into consideration all his emotions and what he goes through, by having a child growing, even if it is inside another human being.

I fully agree that the father should in no situation, be allowed to force a woman through pregnancy. If he wants a child, he will have to find a woman who also wants a child.
However, forcing her to have an abortion, makes perfect sense. You seem to be very fixated on how being forced to have an abortion or to go through pregnancy, can be scarring for the father. But unless you are truly a sexist, you will have to take into consideration the father's emotions as well. It is just as sexist to discriminate against men, as it is to discriminate against women. If you disagree and think it is worse when a woman is discriminated against, you are discriminating against men and thus a sexist.
Taking into consideration the emotions of the father, how can you believe that he should be forced to have a child?

You say that if the mother wants to have a child and that the father doesn't, she can just go ahead and have a child. I've established that I disagree there. But then you go on and say that, even though the mother knew beforehand that the father doesn't want a child, she can force him to pay her money for 18+ years. All because, maybe a condom broke or maybe he was drunk at a party. Both are things that happen to every male on the face on the earth. Because that particular man, has done something every other man on the person has, even if it is something that wasn't his fault, he should be forced to have a child and pay some woman money for 18+ years?
You justify this by saying that in the reverse situation, the mother should pay the father money for 18+ years, but you've already said that the father is not allowed to have a child the mother doesn't want. So those situations never exist. Thus it is a completely one-sided thing, that any man on the earth can be forced to pay any other woman on the earth money for 18+ and go through the emotional scarring of having an unwanted child.
newstomper
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newstomper 18 United States MelancholicCholeric INTJ 514 408C
Honestly Leviathan, I was with you (not complete agreement but I knew were you were coming from) until the very last paragraph. I don't like sexist feminists. However, rather than call them names, try telling them how you don't like them POLITELY next time before you get an infraction.
LeyDiFwee
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A. I’m not objectifying men as just sperm, I am merely outlining the exact contributions a male makes to form a child. A man simply isn’t affected by parenthood during this stage as much as a woman is. I’m not saying he isn’t affected at all, as parenthood is a massive undertaking, but a woman by far goes through more during the pregnancy. Nothing you say will ever convince me that a man faces equal hardships of the pains and effort a woman goes through for nine months to carry a child.
B. If I’m a sexist, then you’re at least equally (if not more) sexist, thinking that it “makes perfect sense” to force a woman to undergo such a process against her will.
You say it’s wrong for me to think that a woman should keep the child against the father’s will. (“Taking into consideration the emotions of the father, how can you believe that he should be forced to have a child?”)

Taking into consideration the emotions of the mother, how can you believe that she should be forced to have an abortion?

What if this woman is a Christian, of the kind who are pro-life? If she was pregnant and the father forced her into an abortion, this is just as wrong as “forcing” a father to have a child. (I believe it’s more wrong, but not because she’s female. I believe it’s wrong because she would believe her soul to be damned, but this is truly beside the point.)

C. The reverse situation does happen, just not in the way you think of it. There are many occasions where a woman should pay child support. For example, if a couple was together for a while, then they divorced and the mother wanted nothing to do with their existing children but the father loved them deeply and the children went with the father, it is a woman’s obligation to pay child support in this situation. Another example would be she would be “on the fence” about deciding whether or not to have the child, and when the day of her having a child comes, she up and decides that she doesn’t want it. She should pay child support if the father still wants the otherwise unwanted child.
D. I am not a feminist, and I believe in many ways women are inferior. You are simply hateful, and because I take a stand on one particular subject, you believe I have all of my opinions geared in this particular direction. I hate to break it to you, but I’m a bit more complex than that, and it’s wrong of you to judge me through one post.
E. Besides, I’m too lazy to press for laws all over the world. I like to sleep in on the weekends.
Son_of_Leviathan
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I'm sorry. Anger got the better of me. As I've mentioned in another thread, I find that hate makes people blind. Although, I am as prone to it myself as any other human.