Comment #29738

Blog: Kickstarter?
ThirdParty
2

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
ThirdParty 34 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTJ 514 177C
I could easily imagine being willing to spend US$10-20 on DreamQuest in-game, but only after it's been released and I've verified that it's fun and that it runs on my computer. I don't buy computer games without trying them out first, even from professional game companies, let alone from indie developers.

A β Pseudolonewolf said:
not finishing it - my biggest and most obvious weakness! - isn't really a concern here.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but:

What if you finish it but never release it except to people whose personality types you approve of? That's more-or-less what happened with Miasmon, isn't it?

What if you release it but it has some bug that makes it unplayable on many people's computers? What if they report the bug and your response is "You hurt my feelings by reporting this bug, you meanies" rather than "I'm sorry, let me see if I can fix that". That's more-or-less what happened with the last site update, isn't it?
Pseudolonewolf
12

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
Well. I see that the comments here are as enjoyable to read as always.

When real money is being given to me by people, that changes things significantly.

I haven't finished Miasmon yet. The people I chose for the other site were merely testing it before the proper release, just as they're testing this game now. Eventually I would like to build up a community free of people who make me want to literally die, but there'd be no restrictions on who could play the game.

It's extremely frustrating and unnecessarily hurtful to hear my reactions derided like this... The reason that I talked about my 'hurt feelings' and such so much is because I'd been enduring Fig Hunter for literally *years* before it happened, and I was getting sick of it. What kind of behaviour frustrates you the most? Imagine enduring that from dozens or hundreds of people non-stop for like five or six years. Or if you're so strong and tough that no behaviour fazes you at all, imagine dozens of people kicking your shins non-stop for that time.

I tried to release a new version to alleviate a lot of my negative feelings about the site, but instead was met with completely unsubtle vitriol. This was at the time when my girlfriend was leaving me, I had zero friends, I was crippled by an anxiety disorder, I spent every day in front of my computer because I'd have panic attacks if I so much as went out of my front door, and I'd not made any money in ages so to say I was feeling 'bad' about all this would be a massive understatement.

Can you for a moment imagine what it's like to be in a situation like that? Then, to have a gift that you'd lovingly crafted, for free, for strangers, essentially as a desperate effort to save your own sanity, thrown back in your face, which they also spit in to underline their disgust?

But no. I'm sorry. I suppose I was just being a 'butt-hurt sissy' or whatever.

Anyway, being away from Fig Hunter for several months and having a new direction in life has changed a lot of things for me, and being handed real money for a change rather than doing everything entirely for free really would change things immensely.

Thanks for making my life just that little bit happier with your words, anyway.
ThirdParty
1

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
ThirdParty 34 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTJ 514 177C
I'm sorry that my words gave offense, A β Pseudolonewolf. I didn't mean to imply that you haven't had good reasons for your feelings and reactions. (I don't think you're a "sissy"; I think you're a talented, thoughtful individual who's on a difficult career path and who struggles with genuine psychological problems.) I was just trying to explain why those reactions--whether reasonable or not--make me reluctant to pay you money in advance of the game's release, even with your statement that the game is "basically finished".

I do think that your games are good enough that you deserve to be paid for them--and, unlike some of the other people saying that, I actually have money and am willing to spend it. But what I'm willing to spend it on is permanent unlocks within an already-released game.
Monoose
3

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
Monoose 23 United States SanguineCholeric ENFP 168C
What if, rather than doing exactly the thing you know will irritate somebody whom has spent a *very long time* learning how to be able to make games that you have then enjoyed and the spent a *very long time* actually making those games that you have then enjoyed, you were thankful that you had gotten something for nothing regardless of whether or not you deserve it, and as thanks . . . y'know . . treat him like a *person* instead of a dog to throw quarters at!?
JuCFruit
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
JuCFruit 20 Canada MelancholicCholeric ENFJ 3w2 3C
Although I agree that we need to treat people with respect, and perhaps Third didn't word it in the right way, I believe that Pseudo was asking if people would buy into a Kickstarter, and I would think it would be much more painful if everyone said "Of course I will back it" and then no one did.
Monoose
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
Monoose 23 United States SanguineCholeric ENFP 168C
Then they would be liarfaces and would have no friends, though!

Third was like "Hey I know you made things for fun already and that you have occasionally had hiccups in the production of the games you made for fun because of emotional issues and I'm going to throw this in your face and insult you by implying that your previous conduct when you were making games for fun undermines your credibility when making the move to making games professionally, I.E. getting money to make them. Because I can't see any major difference in the level of responsibility between making games for fun and making games with other's money on the line, myes."
JuCFruit
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
JuCFruit 20 Canada MelancholicCholeric ENFJ 3w2 3C
I just think we may be reading into it too much. Plus, I don't think we can speak for Third. But just because Third vocalized something a lot of people may not have the nerve to state outright, doesn't mean we should all gang up on him. It's a fair point, if rather blunt. The only difference is Third is saying it, where as a lot of people may keep it to themselves.
Monoose
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
Monoose 23 United States SanguineCholeric ENFP 168C
He could have phrased it kindly, like "Are you sure that you can power through any emotional hiccups you might have? And that's you'll be able to suspend your opinions of people and be fair with game distribution? Will you be willing to make sure the final product is bug-free and of quality? I know you've had difficulties before, which is why I'm concerned. I just would like some reassurance here, if that's alright."
JuCFruit
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
JuCFruit 20 Canada MelancholicCholeric ENFJ 3w2 3C
I don't think that always comes easily to everyone. I don't believe he was trying to be abrasive or overly rude. But I digress. We're debating what someone meant, and it would probably be best for them to make a case, if they so choose to. Not have two people interpret it.
Monoose
0

Notice: Undefined index: FID in /home4/yalort/public_html/charcoal/code/common.php on line 11
Monoose 23 United States SanguineCholeric ENFP 168C
Agreed. I just am bothered when people are rude to people whom have repeatedly said they are sensitive.