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Forum: Bizarre Combinations
Pseudolonewolf
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I realise that there are supposedly these 'basic desires' that define the enneagram types, but the traits surrounding them don't seem to be irrelevant and easily ignored, or there'd be nothing to write about in the descriptions about each type...

4 for example, which is what I was speaking specifically about, is described in various places with things like this:

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The Sensitive, Introspective type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental


If that's it in a nutshell, then I do struggle to imagine how it could fit someone who is extroverted or not effectively a slave to their emotions in some sense. I can't imagine an 'emotional' T being emotional in the way to fit that type, unless it was as a wing.

I'd also be suspicious of combinations like INFJ 8w7, or 8w7, or things like that... though it does seem that some other enneagram types are less clearly defined in my mind and as such have a wider variety of possible pair-ups. I can imagine 9w1 being either T or F, E or I, for example, in a way that I can't imagine 4w5 being.

I can't remember if I used this example already, but it's like having hair colour and race choosable... There'd be a lot of variety of pairups, especially for certain races, but some would seem incompatible and would raise eyebrows, like someone claiming to be a Black African redhead.

Most likely though it's just my nature as a 4 to be incredulous towards people who claim to share my identity but don't fit the narrow set of parameters I have for it in my mind. Anything else is probably just rationalisation.
Blog: Thinking and Feeling
Pseudolonewolf
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I appreciate responses like "I find this interesting!" or "I know how that is!" (though with more detail), and dislike responses like "here's where you're wrong" or "you should do this instead".

The former are subjective expressions of appreciation or empathy, while the latter are objective, detached analyses of the situation in a technical way.
Blog: Site Changes
Pseudolonewolf
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Something that bothered me about FLIGS is that I often wanted to say 'thank you' to all the posts that I read, but didn't necessarily feel that they deserved a +G rating... Or I'd generally like a post, but wouldn't know what to rate it. Or I'd worry about my own posts getting a +G but not a +I; "wasn't it interesting enough? D:"

So while a generic 'like' thing is indeed more bland... it'll also probably make it much easier to use in general. I've been using a similar system on another (private) site of mine for a while now, and I 'like' posts a lot more than I ever gave positive FLIGS ratings and generally prefer the system overall.
Blog: The Trees and the Forest
Pseudolonewolf
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I find this outlook really odd... I mean, the type things don't tell you what you're 'supposed to be' or what you're destined to be or anything. They shouldn't really tell you anything that you don't already know, and if they disagree with how you think of yourself, then you may have chosen the wrong type(s).

The 4w5 appeals to me so much, for example, because it describes how I am, and how I already knew I was; it's just so nice to finally have a label for my eccentricities, I suppose; to know that I'm not alone in being this way. It scratches my itch as a 4 to 'not be broken'.

Do you think of yourself as an individualistic innovator? Or a daring leader? Or a doormat?
Blog: The Trees and the Forest
Pseudolonewolf
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So did you just do a test and accept its result as your type, or have you read further about all the types and chosen 9w1 as yours due to it being the best fit...?

My understanding of why 9s avoid conflict is essentially because they despise anger and rage and those sorts of aggressive emotions. Not necessarily as a conscious decision, but as an innate aversion which overpowers them... or something like that. Conflict is 'toxic' to them, and they also consider themselves essentially immune to anger... or something. I can't say that I fully understand it myself, since I probably read less about 9 than the others since, uh, it's the last one and I was exhausted. o_O
Blog: Understanding the 9 Enneagram Types!
Pseudolonewolf
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The reason that I focused on negatives in this specific instance was because it sounded as if the 2 was desirable because it was being interpreted as 'the one who cares about and helps people'... Therefore anyone who does that must be a 2 and anyone who's not a 2 doesn't care, right?!?

"I WANT to be a 2 because it sounds nice, and am offended that might suggest I'm something else instead because it sounds like you're saying I don't care."
That kind of thing...

So I personally find that the 'warts and all' thing would make things more relatable and less desirable... but I suppose I'm only speaking from my own perspective here because I readily accept and identify the weaknesses in my own type, and am drawn to weaknesses that I can relate to more than supposed 'strengths' that seem like the sorts of things we should all strive for.

I personally would love to make friends with someone shy and awkward, for example, because I could relate to their 'weakness', and would not want to get to know someone 'confident and assertive' because I'd be unable to relate through weakness... I suppose this mentality is what makes me present these types as their weaknesses so then others might be able to relate to them, but I suppose I must try to be more aware of how some people have transcended these weaknesses or wish to avoid or deny them!11!11

The reason I've been using the word 'shame' is because this thing did! ∞ LINK ∞
Blog: Understanding the 9 Enneagram Types!
Pseudolonewolf
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I've talked about this in other comments here. I was aware of those when writing the content of this post, but hadn't fully read up about them, and as a result I've probably described each type at their most neurotic and mentally unhealthy, while trying to describe the essence that makes up their core, which I can imagine those lucky people who are mentally healthy might find unpleasant to read and difficult to relate to. It's because I'm certainly not mentally healthy, and am easily able to see things in this negative kind of way. (I could even say that merely thinking about those at their peak, without Issues, makes me annoyed and envious...)

I've been wondering whether to update this post by adding at least briefly how they are at their 'best', 'worst', and in 'average' cases, or something (I know there are more levels than that, but my point is to summarise rather than be exhaustive), but it's already too long for most people to bother reading as it is, it seems, which is a shame. Maybe I'll write about those level things more at some later point, if anyone could even be bothered to read what I wrote. Or I could just link to things, but I assume most people wouldn't click them; even I probably wouldn't if I was a reader of these posts rather than their writer.
Blog: Understanding the 9 Enneagram Types!
Pseudolonewolf
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Something that I found interesting was how each of the nine types can be divided into three different 'primary emotion' sorts of things.

8, 9 and 1 relate to anger and rage, apparently. For 8 it's obvious; they react with anger and rage quite openly. 9s hide their rage almost to the point where they feel they have none at all. 1s seek to use their inner anger and instinctual drives for productive ends, but feel the strong need to be in control when that happens.

2, 3 and 4 relate to shame. 2s are afraid of being worthless, unappreciated, so they help to be of use. 3s are afraid of being a 'nobody', of not being worthy of admiration. 4s are afraid of being defective, broken, of never being able to be understood by others because there's inherently something wrong with them that can't be fixed.

5, 6 and 7 relate to anxiety. 5s are anxious about the world and seek to understand it to prepare themselves; they fear incompetence. 6s are very insecure, and hide it through guardedness or pre-emptive attacks. 7s constantly distract themselves to avoid facing their inner demons.

Maybe you already read about this, or maybe it's simply no help at all, but I do find that it explains nicely how 4, for example, is deeply rooted in the shame of being broken, and the lack of being understood is based almost entirely on that. I know that's very much the case for me. I'm 'different', and this is not a good thing. You don't seem to feel that, and 1's disintegration is towards 4 anyway, so that'd explain feeling affinity with it despite it neither being your type or wing.
It also sheds some light on 9, in an odd way... Seeing them as a type defined by repressed rage allows them to be tied much more easily to both 8 and 1, I think.

Anyway, I wonder whether that book will be more elucidating! For now, I'd think that 1w9 might be your type and wing... but I feel that 9 is proving elusive at the moment and it doesn't seem to be very clearly explained anywhere. Both are in the 'rage' area of the Enneagram, which may explain how you can associate more with productive anger and assertiveness than with shame or self-loathing.

Why did you choose as your primary temperament, though? The description for is very much like how 9 seems to be.
Blog: Understanding the 9 Enneagram Types!
Pseudolonewolf
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Both 1 and 8 would defend their ideals quite strongly, from what I gather, so it's rather difficult to imagine a 9 by itself that wouldn't 'challenge' or 'correct' others due to its wings... I find the placement of 9 really odd.
I'd say the biggest difference between 1 and 8 - in my reading so far, anyway - is that 1 sort of defers to a 'higher power' - like "the law" or "what should be done" or "my ideals" - while 8's power is themselves. So a 1 would defend their strongly-held Principles and Values because they obey them and others should too, while an 8 would fight for their position as dominant alpha of the pack, so to speak. 1s don't like being defied because their values are sacred and must be obeyed, while 8s don't like being defied because they must be obeyed.
Blog: Enneagrams!!
Pseudolonewolf
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I assume that 'your wings are balanced' means that the adjacent numbers - 9 and 2 in this case - would both be equal (and indeed 1w9 and 1w2 got the same score in the first test), but the second test places 2 rather low, so I'd say that's not really likely. It's odd that 6 came out on top in the second test but didn't even appear in the first's top five types list!
Since 1 and 9 were both high in the second, and you say that 6 only fits 'to a lesser extent', then perhaps 1w9 it is?

Of course, all things like this mean is that you took the test in an ambiguous way; it never means that your actual personality itself is ambiguous. It's also worth considering that there are different paths to the same traits emerging, and that the descriptions don't mention traits that are mutually exclusive so there is overlap. I can relate strongly to traits from 1, 6 and 9, as I mentioned in the blog post, but taking them as a whole, ignoring the actual details, allows me to see that the 'type of person' they're attempting to describe doesn't fit me.
For example, I have an anxiety disorder, so 6, with its high focus on anxiety, should fit me, right?!? But no, the cause of my anxiety is based on 'not being understood' and being lonely and 'different' as a result, being 'incompetent', and being afraid to face the big scary world, which fits 4w5 a whole lot more. So the result is the same - anxiety - but the reasons are so different.

I think I'm actually going to write another blog post about this at some point, where I go through each of the 9 types and write about my interpretation of it, and how I came to the conclusion that, while some parts fit me, the whole doesn't. I never seem to have trouble with these things and I don't doubt I'm 4w5, so perhaps it would be useful to those who aren't sure of 'how to read them'.