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Speren
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Before I start, I want to tell you that I am Liberal and hate all the religious zealots who have taken the stage in the Republican Party this year.
Ron Paul is not listed because he is a Libertarian, not a Republican as far as I know.

But, if one of them were to win, I would prefer Romney over the others because he seems the least zealous and most moderate of the three.

First off, I HATE Gingrich. He epitomizes the power-hungriness of Democracy to some extent. My reason: stem cells - a month or so ago, Gingrich changed his views on them JUST because he wanted support from Conservative voters. He put his power over his goals, if you know what I mean. AND he is highly Conservative anyway. Also, he is backed by Rick Perry, who in my opinion shouldn't be allowed within a mile of a government office.

And being a Liberal who was born in Pennsylvania (not that I live there right now), I dislike Santorum because he is highly Conservative and from Pennsylvania. Therefore, as PA is a very swingy state, he misrepresents at least half the population of Pennsylvania as a candidate from their state.

I know most of this site is probably Liberal-ish, including myself, but it's mostly a question of "Who would be your second choice?"
Or, if you hate Obama and all he stands for, "Who is the best?"

PS: I know I'm too young to vote or be involved in any sort of political thing - the only reason I know this stuff is from listening to a lot of NPR, since it is somehow interesting to me...
lazarony
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lazarony 27 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
First, I would avoid using statements like "I hate all...". I read that, then looked at your age, and immediately formed an opinion about your maturity and ability to view the candidates objectively.

Second, I would like to state that I am not a particularly huge fan of any of the candidates, which means I am not sure how I will vote, given I am a registered Republican.

On the subject of a politician changing his stance on a subject to garner support: if that upsets you, you had better leave the country. Every politician does the exact same thing, regardless of party affiliation, wealth, office, or any other factor. Politicians' careers are based on staying in office, sadly, not on maintaining their own moral code.
Speren
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Speren 18 United States CholericMelancholic INTP 123C
If I were to respond to that first paragraph of yours, I'm sure I would be self-deprecating and confirm your point about my being "immature". Therefore, I will be "mature," and not waste space in the thread trying to tell you I am "mature". If that makes any sense whatsoever, of course...

Also, please tell me what country has Democracy and candidates that can stick to their morals and care more about their views than their power.
lazarony
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lazarony 27 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
Oh, I certainly do not claim to know of such a country. If I did, I would likely be there.

And I think, in my haste to post, I failed to finish my first paragraph; allow me to do so now, if you please:

First, I would avoid using statements like "I hate all...". I read that, then looked at your age, and immediately formed an opinion about your maturity and ability to view the candidates objectively. I generally think that your points are valid, however, and assume that the use of the phrase was a simply an error on your part. Given the general content of the post, it seems unlikely that you truly lack all knowledge on the subject. I would just like to offer the previous statement as a caution against dealing in absolutes unless you are quite confident on the matter.
DetroitLolcat
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Just as a note, Ron Paul should be included in this poll because he is a Republican. He runs in the Republican Party and is probably a registered Republican. He used to be a member of the Libertarian Party but is not anymore. His ideology is certainly libertarian, but his party is the Republican Party and he's competing for the Republican ticket.
david s
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david s 22 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1079C
Dang... It's not common for me to give out a full FLIGS rating, but I felt it apt here.

I said "Someone who dropped out" because I would have voted for Stephen Colbert in a heartbeat if he continued to run. Alas, he dropped out quickly, and I cannot vote for him.

*WARNING* From here forward is pretty offensive to conservatives, reader's discretion is advised. I do not intent to be offensive to the party, but I... I get my rant on a little about the candidates.

Anyhow, of the actual choices still up there, I'd have to agree, Schitt Romney is the lesser of three evils. I mean GingRICH, as the name implies, is just a ludicrously rich fat-cat(Aren't they all.) who "supports Christian values" while "sleeping with" anything but his wife, whichever wife that may be at the time, and he uses pure fear-mongering to manipulate sheep-people into voting for him. Santorum(I am making fun of his name too, it's just that I don't have to change it to do so...) is just nuts. If you want him to control your sex and reproductive life, then vote for him! He doesn't care what you think, he thinks that gays should be thrown in camps and let that be the end of it!

Santorum and GingRICH don't care what you think, but Romney does. Y'see, he doesn't care what *he* thinks, in fact, I doubt he does think, but that's exactly what a politician is supposed to do. They're supposed to do what the people want and need. A lot of people are hating Obama because they don't want him to do some things, but those things he does that they don't want are things they don't know that they need. Romney might end up changing(Duh.) once he gets elected though, and that could be dangerous.(I recall Hitler having become more malicious after he secured his elections.)

My vote is for Obama.

On second thought though, that reminds me of something. In the republican votey thingies of which the name escapes me, there was a small district, the smallest there is, which has accurately predicted the republican presidential candidate every election since the 60's, where there were only 8 or 9 votes. As I recall, it was 1 for Ron Paul(Who I do believe is on the republican ballot.) 1 for GingRICH, 2 for Santorum, 2 for Romney and, get this, 3 for Obama. :P According to that, the republican candidate will be Barack Obama. XD If Obama is the republican candidate, then I think, just for the heck of it, I might vote republican. XD(Probably not though, because he might win as a republican and think that he should act like a republican.)

Suffice it to say, I am rather liberal... Myes.

I will say, however, that if Ron Paul were included in this poll, I would say him. His ideals are somewhat passionate, but some of his stances are rather agreeable.
lazarony
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lazarony 27 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
Fun fact: Stephen Colbert is a practicing Roman Catholic and teaches Sunday School. While his comedy may not reflect many of his beliefs (whose beliefs does comedy reflect?), I doubt you would appreciate as many of his actual opinions as you think.

Next, wealth-mongering is far from a Republican-only game; many politicians in both parties are wealthy beyond reason, and essentially make (and keep) their millions by using (legal) tax-evading investment schemes. In fact, Democratic candidates have been involved in contract awards and business restriction legislation that have given virtual monopolies in certain markets to immediate family members. I cannot seem to find anything on it in the short time I have, but something recently involved a California congresswoman, and her husband's company, to the tune of a near-complete monopoly in the market. I am not, by any means, saying Republicans are innocent in this, just that Democrats are far from innocent as well.

Also, I hope the last part of your post is a joke, because if not, you sorely misunderstand the electoral system of our country.
david s
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david s 22 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1079C
First off: If I believed Stephen Colbert's fake ideas, the ones he expresses on his shows, then I would be more Republican than anyone on this planet, since he purposefully satire's stupid flaws, of all political parties, in the US system.

Second: I know Stephen Colbert is a Roman Catholic, I know a lot more about him than you seem to think. I'm a fan of him, and I'm actually quite sure I know where he actually stands politically.(It's often on the opposite side of what he says it is on his show, but he does actually support some things he says he supports, such as our troops, rather than our wars.)

Next, I was not suggesting at all that all republicans create monopolies, nor was I saying it was only republicans. I know for certain that there are many horrible democrats. The way I see it is that there is no such thing as a pure political party. I mean, Blagojevich and Lieberman are examples of less than honest democrats. To be honest, I wasn't suggesting either party was particularly worse than others, though I will state here and now that, while not entirely 100%, republicans tend to be capitalists, whereas democrats lean more towards socialism.(Not always, but they are less capitalistic usually.)

The last part was somewhat a joke, but also not a joke. In this particular case, it was the republican ticket with Obama as the leading candidate. I know, on one hand, that they wouldn't allow him to be the lead candidate for the republicans, since our country does have laws preventing one person from being the only candidate for both parties, but on the other hand I also know that you can have write-ins, and the write-in can be anyone. That being said, I don't think the write-ins are likely to have any influence on the results. I do know that Obama cannot be the republican candidate, hence why I was joking, but it would be fun... myes.

I really don't like getting into political debates with people, which is why I *did* warn conservatives not to read. You can imagine how upset I was, as a result, to see this...
lazarony
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lazarony 27 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
That is just silly. If you did not want certain people to read it, you should not have posted it...warning a select group not to read it is like holding up an open flame to the bugs you do not want around.
david s
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david s 22 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1079C
I didn't expect you wouldn't read it, and I didn't expect you wouldn't be offended by it, but what I did expect would that you might think it was fair for me to warn you.

*Le Dr. House voice* I guess you're right. Next time I should just have a sign that says "Trespassers will be shot.". He doesn't have Lupus, it's a tumor. We didn't catch in in the tests because it's too small and/or in his brain.*Le end Dr. House voice* Sorry 'bout that, I got a little carried away, and I really do like watching house. Just in case you don't get it, all the stuff in the "Dr. House voice" was sarcasm.

I was simply hoping that someone who read the warning would know what to expect, and perhaps wouldn't be so upset that I *had* warned them ahead of time. I guess I was wrong.
lazarony
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lazarony 27 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
I was not upset at all, and I think if you re-read my post, you will see no tonal implications whatsoever. As clever as your little color commentating (House voice, etc.) is, it is most certainly not tone neutral, as I try to keep all of my posts. Keep in mind that, just because I disagree, it does not mean that I am angry, upset, or lashing out in any way. In fact, my Stephen Colbert comment was started with "Fun Fact:" because I thought it was a fun fact...

After that, my statements were simply fact (though I still have not had the time/inclination to look up the California-based reference I mentioned). Again, no tone; any anger or offense you perceived was not there in the writing, so hopefully I can make that come across more clearly without putting everything in [monotone] brackets...though, now that I think about it, if you really are concerned about the possibility of a post offending people, you really should just refrain from posting it, no? Again, not anger or anything, just observation.
david s
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david s 22 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1079C
I've thought about not posting, but I'm a bit too... self-righteous. I seem to think that I'm trying to do what's best for others, even when it's not. Despite some people not agreeing with what I say, I'm quite sure that a number of members of this site would find it interesting. Do note, that I actually do spend much of my time on liberal pages on Facenbook, so what I say here is comparatively tame and politically neutral.(I'm not a hippie or anything, but I can get very upset when I see people alienating rights, so I naturally get upset at any talk of violating gay marriage or the welfare of the poor. No, I don't mean welfare as in the welfare program, I mean "things that are good for the poor".)

Anyway, I hadn't realized you weren't offended by what I said. I was expecting you were when you began your post with "That is just silly.". I'm usually quite a serious person, so when someone says that something I did was silly, it's generally intending to say that it was stupid and illogical.(I can see this is an exception to that.)
Orcris
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Orcris 17 United States MelancholicCholeric INTP 5w6 71C
Ugh. I had a 6000 character response to this, then my browser crashed and I lost it. Anyway...

I was actually going to make a thread like this.

The following may be offensive to conservatives and moderate liberals.

I personally hate Obama. I hate all the Republican candidates more. I hate the Libertarians too. If I could vote, I would vote for Jill Stein (one of the possible Green Party candidates).

Jill Stein's policies are almost the exact same as Ralph Nader's. She's for socializing healthcare. She's for repealing the PATRIOT Act. Her platform is focused around a "New Green Deal" that emphasizes health through environmental protection. I realize she doesn't have a chance of winning, but I would vote for her anyway

I hate Obama because in the last 4 years, very few things have gotten better. We've started to get our troops out of the Middle East. Our economy has improved a little. Otherwise, not much has gotten better. I also have more specific problems with Obama. He supported SOPA/PIPA. When the Deep Water Horizon well exploded, he looked the other way. When the Democrats had a majority in Congress, there was no effort to repeal the PATRIOT Act.

I hate how conservative the Republicans have become. I think that every one except Mitt Romney wold be better suited for the Constitution Party. Before she stepped down, Michelle Bachmann had her supporters reading a proslavery book. Mitt Romney is my favorite Republican candidate. Romney is at least moderately conservative, and even liberal on a few issues.

No matter who wins this election, I'm not going to be happy. I won't like it if Obama wins, and I will hate it if any of the Republicans win. Any candidate I actually want to win doesn't have a chance.
newstomper
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newstomper 18 United States MelancholicCholeric INTJ 514 421C
Now, I am a very moderate person. However if I HAD to side with a political party, I would have to side with the Republicans. If I were old enough to vote, I would go for Mitt Romney, seeing as he is the most moderate of the four major Republican candidates and Obama.

First off, Santorum is a great candidate- if you like 1901. He is not even conservate- he is reactionary. He is pro-life to the point of anti-birth control (a contradiction of sorts since if abstinance were the solution to the problem there wouldn't be a problem in the first place). This is why I was so glad when Perry dropped out- he was reactionary to the point of repealing the 17th amendment.

I don't think Obama has done a good job as president. He has done little that he promised to do (I will give him Afganistan). The economy is still in the toilet, and that was one of his major platform policies. Then again, I don't trust a thing that comes out of a politician's mouth anyways; I look at voting records for my information about what someone will support or not.

I do not like the Republican field, to be quite honest. However, in the dual-party US political system, you really have to vote Republican or Democrat if you want your candidate elected (I wish it wasn't so, but I face the fact). And, when taking every candidate into account, including those who dropped out, Mitt Romney is the lesser of all evils. And, in America's current political system, that's all you can really ask for.
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Now I'm speaking as a heartland, young, talk-radio listening conservative so I feel very strongly about this so if your a liberal close your eyes now. As for which candidate I would vote for, I would say this ABO (anybody but Obama.) As for who I would vote for, I'll wait and see what turns up. Also, why didn't you mention Ron Paul? He is a candidate after all. (P.S. I'm living in Oklahoma so as in one of the super Tuesday states this is a big deal especially since for once, super Tuesday matters.)
Speren
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Speren 18 United States CholericMelancholic INTP 123C
(Sarcasm) Wow! That was so offensive to me!!1! I think I could just go cry, or have a nervous breakdown, or something. You have broken my heart and I don't think I will ever love again!!1! Also my eyes are burned after reading this post. (End Sarcasm)

And I never said that Obama was some sort of pure deity who was above all bad policy, if that's what you were thinking. There could be better, but I support David S's post heavily.

EDIT: I didn't mention him because I thought he was more Libertarian, and was running as a Republican to get more attention.
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I don't care about political correctness, I only care about speaking what I think.
DetroitLolcat
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I used to be pretty liberal and absolutely loved Obama, but after following the news and learning more about politics I have to say Obama is a gigantic letdown. I would not vote for him in the next election if I could vote (I'll only be 17 at the time, and you have to be 18 to vote) because he pretty much sold himself out. He spent the first half of his term promoting a pretty unpopular, probably unconstitutional health care bill that won't take effect for a while and is still being challenged in court while pretty much ignoring the rest of the issues. He could have focused on jobs, he could have focused on the debt, but he chose to focus on health care, a field which as far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't be involved in(outside of emergency care).

The most important reason why I strongly dislike Obama is because he signed the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. (wp:∞ LINK ∞

It's probably the most shameful piece of legislation that was ever passed in the United States. For those who don't know, the NDAA is a yearly bill that designates Defense spending and policy for the next year. Normally it's just a financial bill that authorizes the spending the Defense department does each year, but this year's bill has a provision that allows for the indefinite detention without charge or trial of those suspected of terrorism (including American citizens!!!). Obama said he was going to veto the bill, but then on New Year's Eve 2011 he signed it, stating that he had serious reservations about that clause in the bill. As far as I'm concerned, his signature there confirms that he either doesn't care about the Constitution or is too timid to veto an obviously unconstitutional bill.

I wouldn't be caught dead voting for Mitt Romney either since he supports that bill as well, believes that corporations are people (thanks a lot Supreme Court), and provided the idea of Obamacare with his own health care bill. The only difference between Romney and Obama that I've seen as that Romney doesn't lie as much. They have pretty similar agendas; Obama just tries to cover his real agenda up.

Gingrich and Santorum are just crazy. Moon base during a recession? Nah. Santorum is so against women's rights it's a bit crazy. There's a difference between being pro-life and denying people contraception.

Ron Paul actually seems like a pretty acceptable candidate as far as I know. He's incredibly honest, his voting record is 100% consistent throughout his twelve terms in Congress with the exception of the death penalty (used to be for it, now is against it), and he is the only one of the five people who cares about the Constitution. He's the only candidate who actually wants to shrink the federal government as well. He' also the only one who's anti-war. Ron Paul is far from perfect, but he would definitely get my vote if I was old enough.