I think everyone here's gone over the important stuff, but the main issue here is to avoid making generalised rules. You always have to look at the specifics of the situation to ensure that applying the aforementioned generalised rule makes the desired outcome.
I'm not sure if there's any extra specifics in your pokemon story that would make me change my mind, but I don't think it's possible to have a wrong opinion on a pokemon-related issue.
It is possible to have a wrong opinion on things like religion, life, rights of children, how to treat other people etc, but it depends on the exact situation.
One thing I couldn't help but think about Miasmon was that it was pretty much in a releaseable state, but the fanbase started requesting more features unnecessarily. I mean, people complained about a not-awesome storyline, but it's a catch-em-all monster game, it doesn't NEED a storyline other than "go out and catch them all". A storyline could really wait for Miasmon 2, after the characters are established.
The same with animating all of the Miasmon monsters - the pixel graphics look fine, animated-moving-superpretty-lotsofwork Miasmon monsters could really wait for Miasmon 2... after the series was established. And having pixel monsters in 1 replaced with animated monsters in 2 would give an "everything old is new again" impression.
I trust your decision and am happy with whatever you decide to do. Any implied suggestions I made are bad and should be ignored.
It wasn't in a releasable state. It was quite playable, but it was missing a lot of graphics. Half of the higher level monsters had no art -- they would just be invisible in combat.
Also, some moves didn't work, and the original story suggests at several areas of post-game content that were never implemented.
I was content with the original storyline, but I wouldn't say the decision to redo it "killed" Miasmon. The only way that could be true, is if Aβ Pseudolonewolf wouldn't have fallen into his present funk otherwise.
Pseudo has consistently mentioned in more recent posts that he is no longer impressed by huge wordy essay posts. He prefers succinct, concise, to-the-point posts now. If you are discussing or reviewing something, I agree, elaboration is important, but when you consider that the majority of Pseudo's posts nowadays are about personal feelings and frustrations, of which he wants support without advice or judgement, a minimum word length is actually detrimental. It prevents people from being able to write simple but strong messages such as "Good luck" or "I support you", which in turn changes the atmosphere of the site subtly into something colder and more clinical.
Altemeus, you said in your post... "before 50 posts down the line".... that's part of the issue. We don't get topics 50 posts long. We're lucky to get 5 posts in a topic, over the course of a week.
The issue is that the kind of thoughtful, intelligent, sensitive people who make constuctive posts are scared away from posting at all because they fear criticism via either FLIGS or other users lecturing them on wasting people's time. You and I agree that no one would ever actually do this to a constructive poster, but it's a PERSPECTION issue... when you consider people who visit this site who have low self-esteem and a low opinion of themselves anyway, it's hard enough to post without the constant reminder and the risk of breaking a rule.
Useless comments such as "That's just stupid" with no further explanation will easily be weeded out by moderation and a 'report abuse' button. We have more moderators than just Pseudo. Lack of moderators is no longer an issue. And as you said in your post, by developing an automated system that weeds out people who say "that's just stupid", you also weed out people who would simply say "I support you", or "Good luck", or "I love you". You can't develop a perfect system that turns a troll into a thoughtful intellectual. A system is only as good as the people who use it.
Look, in the end it depends what your objectives are. Do you want a website which is social and friendly, or do you want a debate website based around rating posts? In this case, my suspicion is that Pseudo is no longer interested in endless debates - while he used to participate in them strongly, he doesn't even read them now - he's more interested in a more social, relaxed forum.
You make a thoughtful post in less than 50 characters.
The previous sentence is 54 characters. Your thoughts haven't come close to hitting that minimum, and frankly, if we can't get 5 posts in a topic because of the 50 character limit, I don't want to see a 50 post topic. 45 posts in 50 characters or less? Or do you think people are going to respond with longer posts against a 49 character sentence? The 50 character minimum is a joke, albeit impactful. As I also said, I wish to remove fluff messages like you would see on modes without a character minimum, such as facebook, and the minimum has done its job as far as that goes, and if not, the community has. I would like the community to be slightly less strict by not accumulating post rating scores, but removing the minimum is pointless at best.
The kind, thoughtful, intelligent people who are not posting on topics are worried about their ratings, not about the minimum. Anyone can fluff a post up to 50 characters if they weren't graded on it so harshly for fluffing it up a tad. Usually fluff isn't even required, as my first sentence wasn't fluffy at all.
It's pretty much the same reason Facebook doesn't have an "unlike" feature. Systems that encourage people to be judgemental of each other scares off the sensitive, quiet people, and creates an environment where alpha males thrive.
I'd also love to see the "50 character minimum for posts" removed. My tip is that that minor rule is actually stopping some people from making positive, supporting posts, and strange as it sounds, it's removal would contribute to a more postiive atmosphere for the site.
In a similar fashion, I'd love to see the long, long list of rules cut down and summarised essentially to "don't be a jerk". To me, that's the only rule that matters.
I agree. The main reason I seldom post is that I'm not very wordy, online or offline. Whenever I have something to say, I take the Laconic path. And it works well for me.
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Pseudo has consistently mentioned in more recent posts that he is no longer impressed by huge wordy essay posts. He prefers succinct, concise, to-the-point posts now. If you are discussing or reviewing something, I agree, elaboration is important, but when you consider that the majority of Pseudo's posts nowadays are about personal feelings and frustrations, of which he wants support without advice or judgement, a minimum word length is actually detrimental. It prevents people from being able to write simple but strong messages such as "Good luck" or "I support you", which in turn changes the atmosphere of the site subtly into something colder and more clinical.
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There has to be a place to show distaste for a post in order to make the user consider whether a post is constructive or not. That way you don't get the problems facebook faces, such as countless posts that say things along the lines of "LoLz OmG!!!1 xD". Similarly, I think the minimum character limit also lowers the risk of that. Part of the reason I dislike getting rid of the present system is that if someone does have such a short thought such as "I don't like that", "That's not nice", or "Use better language", this system will allow you to make that abbreviated thought in the most abbreviated way possible: through a negative rating.
I have been a forum-user for a very long time now, and one of the main things that has irked me over my time is the long lists of pages full of comments saying "Cool idea, bro", "How'd u get that idea?", or "That's just stupid" before 50 posts down the line a post finally comes up saying something constructive. In my opinion, this is the ONLY site I've seen that had anything resembling a solution to that, and almost all forums have a down-rating system of some form.
I'm going to make another post describing in more detail most likely, but I wanted to show my distaste of removing the 50 character minimum on this post. In my opinion, this system weeds out a huge chunk of the fluff that develops without a minimum, and therefore has an impactful role on this site.
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Altemeus, you said in your post... "before 50 posts down the line".... that's part of the issue. We don't get topics 50 posts long. We're lucky to get 5 posts in a topic, over the course of a week.
The issue is that the kind of thoughtful, intelligent, sensitive people who make constuctive posts are scared away from posting at all because they fear criticism via either FLIGS or other users lecturing them on wasting people's time. You and I agree that no one would ever actually do this to a constructive poster, but it's a PERSPECTION issue... when you consider people who visit this site who have low self-esteem and a low opinion of themselves anyway, it's hard enough to post without the constant reminder and the risk of breaking a rule.
Useless comments such as "That's just stupid" with no further explanation will easily be weeded out by moderation and a 'report abuse' button. We have more moderators than just Pseudo. Lack of moderators is no longer an issue. And as you said in your post, by developing an automated system that weeds out people who say "that's just stupid", you also weed out people who would simply say "I support you", or "Good luck", or "I love you". You can't develop a perfect system that turns a troll into a thoughtful intellectual. A system is only as good as the people who use it.
Look, in the end it depends what your objectives are. Do you want a website which is social and friendly, or do you want a debate website based around rating posts? In this case, my suspicion is that Pseudo is no longer interested in endless debates - while he used to participate in them strongly, he doesn't even read them now - he's more interested in a more social, relaxed forum.
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You make a thoughtful post in less than 50 characters.
The previous sentence is 54 characters. Your thoughts haven't come close to hitting that minimum, and frankly, if we can't get 5 posts in a topic because of the 50 character limit, I don't want to see a 50 post topic. 45 posts in 50 characters or less? Or do you think people are going to respond with longer posts against a 49 character sentence? The 50 character minimum is a joke, albeit impactful. As I also said, I wish to remove fluff messages like you would see on modes without a character minimum, such as facebook, and the minimum has done its job as far as that goes, and if not, the community has. I would like the community to be slightly less strict by not accumulating post rating scores, but removing the minimum is pointless at best.
The kind, thoughtful, intelligent people who are not posting on topics are worried about their ratings, not about the minimum. Anyone can fluff a post up to 50 characters if they weren't graded on it so harshly for fluffing it up a tad. Usually fluff isn't even required, as my first sentence wasn't fluffy at all.
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I don't like short posts, at all. I've been trying to get involved in other sites recently after finding this place so toxic, but short, vapid posts are the one thing that make other places so frustrating for me. (I wrote about the Myers-Briggs thing, for example, asking people about their type and thoughts, and got replies like "I'm INTJ" with no elaboration whatsoever...)
I don't like these huge essays either, but I wish to encourage people to share, to think, to elaborate and, well, really talk to eachother and share what's on their mind rather than spewing inane stock phrases all over the place.
I do want a less critical, 'Thinky' atmosphere, yes, but it's the style, not the length, that's been bothering me. The way that people talk impersonally, analytically, with conflict, etc...
My ideal place would be one where people write maybe a few sentences in each post, but they're supportive sentences, genuine, emotional interest in others, or things like that; sharing feelings with depth rather than just skimming the surface. I have another, private site for introverts that works like this - it has a minimum character limit but supportive posts - and it's working rather nicely so far.
I find it almost insulting when I get comments that say nothing beyond "good luck" or "I support you" or "I agree", because it's like they didn't even care enough to spend more than a second of their time writing something. It's not personalised and it doesn't even show that they read what I'd written. It's certainly not something I could develop a connection with them over.
What I value most are people who care, I suppose...
Anyway, I'll be changing all the 'judgement' features, but I don't want to lose the 'depth' that I feel this community has, since that's really important to me.
Perhaps I might have a maximum number of characters to prevent the huge essays... but then I bet I'd find myself hitting it often, which would be frustrating.
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It's the boss wolf's style to have the rules the way they are. don't knock 'em 'cause they work... besides the character limit was made purely for one reason: To stop comments that contain one word such as "lol" or "Nice" etc. from popping up and taking up valuable server space.
I do however find the comparison to Facebook rather distrubing for one who's only had bad memories of that place. but then again who am I to say who can and/or can't make such comparisons... but your point I guess is valid so ignore my insane ramblings in this paragraph.
I think this site does actually encourage sexism (and also ageism) to a degree. The main thing is how when you sign up, putting in your age and gender is MANDATORY, and then at the top of every single post or comment you make, the site shows your age and gender.
The main thing about sexism is the whole "treating people differently due to their sex". Having the gender and age on the post makes it difficult to judge the post on its own MERITS. Instead you're aware the whole way through reading the post that it was (for example) written by an age: 15 gender: male, and this encourages people to interpret the post based on that additional information, either giving it more or less weight based on these additional factors that weren't present in the post itself.
I'm also going to ignore the elephant in the room, which has been the news/blog posts on the front page over the past few months. *nonchalant whistle*
Back when I was in school, I used to call Japanese people Japs.
"Japs" is a racist derogatory term. But for the life of me I couldn't think how! So I'd use the word and then when people accused me of being racist, I'd respond that Japs is merely an abbreviation of Japanese in the same way that Aussie is an abbreviation of Australian, and Aussie's not considered a racist term, so why would Jap? And also I personally LIKE Japanese people, and I'm not using the word with malice! My INTENT was never to be racist, so therefore I wasn't being racist! What I eventually learned later (too late, but nevermind) is that interpretation is more important than intent as far as two people talking goes. Doesn't really matter what I intend when I talk if the other person interprets it differently to how I expected.
The only reason I bring this up is to clarify what I meant earlier when I said your posts are written like advice posts. I am aware that this is never your intent, and you do specifically say, often, that you don't want advice unless specifically asked for.
But the way your posts are written... It's raw, unfiltered emotion, and (at least for me, and I'm assuming the same thing for other posters) it resonates somewhere inside me. The prose makes me feel almost like I can understand the pain and frustration sentiments behind the post. It's here that your post gets reinterpreted into an advice post: When we combine empathy for a person with the ability to help (people assume that because they have less trouble with particular things than you, that they can help in some fashion, regardless of whether it's true or not), you have all the emotional ingredients for responding with an advice post. And then people respond with the best advice they can give, whether it's tough love, or posting a link to some website or whatever. I know for me it's so extraordinarily difficult to read one of these and not respond in some fashion; It's just unfortunate that there's never anything useful I can do by responding.
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I'm not sure if there's any extra specifics in your pokemon story that would make me change my mind, but I don't think it's possible to have a wrong opinion on a pokemon-related issue.
It is possible to have a wrong opinion on things like religion, life, rights of children, how to treat other people etc, but it depends on the exact situation.
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The same with animating all of the Miasmon monsters - the pixel graphics look fine, animated-moving-superpretty-lotsofwork Miasmon monsters could really wait for Miasmon 2... after the series was established. And having pixel monsters in 1 replaced with animated monsters in 2 would give an "everything old is new again" impression.
I trust your decision and am happy with whatever you decide to do. Any implied suggestions I made are bad and should be ignored.
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Just speaking very generally, I look forward to hearing about your progress on all of the things you mentioned.
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The issue is that the kind of thoughtful, intelligent, sensitive people who make constuctive posts are scared away from posting at all because they fear criticism via either FLIGS or other users lecturing them on wasting people's time. You and I agree that no one would ever actually do this to a constructive poster, but it's a PERSPECTION issue... when you consider people who visit this site who have low self-esteem and a low opinion of themselves anyway, it's hard enough to post without the constant reminder and the risk of breaking a rule.
Useless comments such as "That's just stupid" with no further explanation will easily be weeded out by moderation and a 'report abuse' button. We have more moderators than just Pseudo. Lack of moderators is no longer an issue. And as you said in your post, by developing an automated system that weeds out people who say "that's just stupid", you also weed out people who would simply say "I support you", or "Good luck", or "I love you". You can't develop a perfect system that turns a troll into a thoughtful intellectual. A system is only as good as the people who use it.
Look, in the end it depends what your objectives are. Do you want a website which is social and friendly, or do you want a debate website based around rating posts? In this case, my suspicion is that Pseudo is no longer interested in endless debates - while he used to participate in them strongly, he doesn't even read them now - he's more interested in a more social, relaxed forum.
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I'd also love to see the "50 character minimum for posts" removed. My tip is that that minor rule is actually stopping some people from making positive, supporting posts, and strange as it sounds, it's removal would contribute to a more postiive atmosphere for the site.
In a similar fashion, I'd love to see the long, long list of rules cut down and summarised essentially to "don't be a jerk". To me, that's the only rule that matters.
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The main thing about sexism is the whole "treating people differently due to their sex". Having the gender and age on the post makes it difficult to judge the post on its own MERITS. Instead you're aware the whole way through reading the post that it was (for example) written by an age: 15 gender: male, and this encourages people to interpret the post based on that additional information, either giving it more or less weight based on these additional factors that weren't present in the post itself.
I'm also going to ignore the elephant in the room, which has been the news/blog posts on the front page over the past few months. *nonchalant whistle*
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"Japs" is a racist derogatory term. But for the life of me I couldn't think how! So I'd use the word and then when people accused me of being racist, I'd respond that Japs is merely an abbreviation of Japanese in the same way that Aussie is an abbreviation of Australian, and Aussie's not considered a racist term, so why would Jap? And also I personally LIKE Japanese people, and I'm not using the word with malice! My INTENT was never to be racist, so therefore I wasn't being racist! What I eventually learned later (too late, but nevermind) is that interpretation is more important than intent as far as two people talking goes. Doesn't really matter what I intend when I talk if the other person interprets it differently to how I expected.
The only reason I bring this up is to clarify what I meant earlier when I said your posts are written like advice posts. I am aware that this is never your intent, and you do specifically say, often, that you don't want advice unless specifically asked for.
But the way your posts are written... It's raw, unfiltered emotion, and (at least for me, and I'm assuming the same thing for other posters) it resonates somewhere inside me. The prose makes me feel almost like I can understand the pain and frustration sentiments behind the post. It's here that your post gets reinterpreted into an advice post: When we combine empathy for a person with the ability to help (people assume that because they have less trouble with particular things than you, that they can help in some fashion, regardless of whether it's true or not), you have all the emotional ingredients for responding with an advice post. And then people respond with the best advice they can give, whether it's tough love, or posting a link to some website or whatever. I know for me it's so extraordinarily difficult to read one of these and not respond in some fashion; It's just unfortunate that there's never anything useful I can do by responding.